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11) Ensure all toilets are water efficient. 11) Ensure all toilets are water efficient.
-This is not a complete list! -- [[User:Plantsnwater|Plantsnwater]] 21:36, 2 August 2009 (CDT)+This is not a complete list!
 +What do you think?
-Public Transport -Trains, Stations and Parking+ -- [[User:Plantsnwater|Plantsnwater]] 21:36, 2 August 2009 (CDT)
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 +===Public Transport -Trains, Stations and Parking===
I read a letter in last week’s Age calling for the train station car parks to be built over & I see that your submission also addresses public transport. I strongly believe we need more space for parking at stations not less to encourage the use of public transport. I read a letter in last week’s Age calling for the train station car parks to be built over & I see that your submission also addresses public transport. I strongly believe we need more space for parking at stations not less to encourage the use of public transport.
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2) An area may also feel unsafe to walk through in the dark. 2) An area may also feel unsafe to walk through in the dark.
-3) If you are trying to co-ordinate with after school care – which cuts out at 6pm – you do not have the time to add a bus trip to a train trip. This is but one example: there are many other constraints on people's time.+3) If you are trying to co-ordinate with after school care – which cuts out at 6pm – you do not have the time to add a bus trip to a train trip. This is but one example: there are many other constraints on people's time.
There can also be circumstances where people who use, or want to use trains,outside of peak hour may need to be able to park nearby: There can also be circumstances where people who use, or want to use trains,outside of peak hour may need to be able to park nearby:
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1)Women who are 9 months pregnant, women who are pushing a pram with a baby and who have had weeks of little sleep and do not have a lot of stamina, and those women who are between 1 -9 months pregnant and are pushing a tired toddler in a stroller. Without parking nearby trains are useless for those mothers of young children who don’t live a short walk from station. Young children tire quickly, as do pregnant women who are pushing tired young children in strollers. 1)Women who are 9 months pregnant, women who are pushing a pram with a baby and who have had weeks of little sleep and do not have a lot of stamina, and those women who are between 1 -9 months pregnant and are pushing a tired toddler in a stroller. Without parking nearby trains are useless for those mothers of young children who don’t live a short walk from station. Young children tire quickly, as do pregnant women who are pushing tired young children in strollers.
-2) In addition, older people do, eventually, become frailer, and it is a shame to restrict their access to trains and the opportutities to take part in activities accessible by public transport by restricting their ability to park nearby. I have relatives who couldn't walk an additional 3k on top of going to an activity because that would make the whole trip too tiring (and these are people who have walked places all their lives). It is not good policy to isolate the elderly.+2) In addition, older people do, eventually, become frailer, and it is a shame to restrict their access to trains and the opportutities to take part in activities accessible by public transport by restricting their ability to park nearby. I have relatives who couldn't walk an additional 3k on top of going to an activity because that would make the whole trip too tiring (and these are people who have walked places all their lives)but who do not have disabled stickers, because they are becoming frailer, but they are not disabled. It is not good policy to isolate the elderly.
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 +There is no special parking available for people using trains out of peak hours - if we want to increase patronage on rail outside peak hour – that is a practical issue that needs addressing. Perhaps with 5 - 6 hr limits and a pass system available from councils?
-There is no special parking available for people using trains out of peak hours - if we want to increase patronage on rail outside peak hour – that is a practical issue that needs addressing.[[User:Plantsnwater|Plantsnwater]] 22:39, 2 August 2009 (CDT)+Agree? Disagee?
 +[[User:Plantsnwater|Plantsnwater]] 22:39, 2 August 2009 (CDT)

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I would like to see the Vic government shifting from its current mindset from looing for ecomomic silver bullets to considering the phsychology of change and setting an example on micro measures as well as big picture items.

Because if the government truly believes climate change is a serious problem then it needs to show this by being willing to change the way it does things.

There are so many things that it can do & publise that it is doing:

1)Follow the lead of the NSW government and ban the sale of bottled water. Of course, to have a useful effect they will also need to provide jugs of drinking water & clean glasses, jsut as cafes and bars do, to allow people to feel comfortable drinking tap water.

2) Use recycled office paper & toilet paper.

3) Use fairtrade/locally grown coffee.

4) Ensure that any government canteens have a tasty and appealing vegetarian selection. Also ensure that there is a choice of healthy, high fibre breads and salads.

5) Go a step ahead of the NSW Governemnt and only sell soft drink that is mixed on site (a la Maccas) - it is much more efficient to only transport the syrup rather than the pre-mixed drink.

6) Set the air conditioning and heating to a range outside that in which it is comfortable to wear a suit. If the Government doesn't do this it sends the message that wearing a suit is more important than conserving energy. People don't jsut apply that to the work envrionment: they take that message home with them and adjust the heating/cooling in their home to allow them to continue to wear their workwear rather than adjusting their clothing.

7) Use environmentally freindly inks.

8) Turn off all but essential lighting at night. This should include tourist lighting - if the government considers some icons are important enough to be lit they should be lit with 100% green energy.

9)Keep the workplace informed: put New Scientist, Sceintific American, Nature & the CSRIO mags in their office lunchrooms along with the newpapers and the Financial Review.

10) Use environmentally safe cleaners in their workplace.

11) Ensure all toilets are water efficient.

This is not a complete list!

What do you think?

-- Plantsnwater 21:36, 2 August 2009 (CDT)


Public Transport -Trains, Stations and Parking

I read a letter in last week’s Age calling for the train station car parks to be built over & I see that your submission also addresses public transport. I strongly believe we need more space for parking at stations not less to encourage the use of public transport.

There are circumstances where people who use trains in peak hour may need to be able to park nearby to make it feasible to use them at all. Consider:

1) My husband walks 1.5k to the station & 1.5k back home again. That is normally fine: but it wasn’t when he was recovering from pneumonia. People do get sick, without qualifying for disabled stickers, and if they are to recover they may need to be able to park near a station to be able to use public transport.

2) An area may also feel unsafe to walk through in the dark.

3) If you are trying to co-ordinate with after school care – which cuts out at 6pm – you do not have the time to add a bus trip to a train trip. This is but one example: there are many other constraints on people's time.

There can also be circumstances where people who use, or want to use trains,outside of peak hour may need to be able to park nearby:

1)Women who are 9 months pregnant, women who are pushing a pram with a baby and who have had weeks of little sleep and do not have a lot of stamina, and those women who are between 1 -9 months pregnant and are pushing a tired toddler in a stroller. Without parking nearby trains are useless for those mothers of young children who don’t live a short walk from station. Young children tire quickly, as do pregnant women who are pushing tired young children in strollers.

2) In addition, older people do, eventually, become frailer, and it is a shame to restrict their access to trains and the opportutities to take part in activities accessible by public transport by restricting their ability to park nearby. I have relatives who couldn't walk an additional 3k on top of going to an activity because that would make the whole trip too tiring (and these are people who have walked places all their lives)but who do not have disabled stickers, because they are becoming frailer, but they are not disabled. It is not good policy to isolate the elderly.

There is no special parking available for people using trains out of peak hours - if we want to increase patronage on rail outside peak hour – that is a practical issue that needs addressing. Perhaps with 5 - 6 hr limits and a pass system available from councils?

Agree? Disagee? Plantsnwater 22:39, 2 August 2009 (CDT)


Further Scope For Compost or Biochar to turn Green Waste from a Problem to an Asset

Green waste is thrown into the ‘black’ bins by supermarkets, green grocers, cafes, restaurants and food manufacturers. Tree pruners and fellers sometimes give their mulch to people and sometimes take it to the tip. These materials are compostable or suitable to be used for biochar. People on rural blocks also clear away material than is suitable for bio char or composting throughout the summer.

Supermarket, green grocers, cafes and restaurants produce waste that is mostly wet compost – things like vegetable peelings, excess leaves, and in the case of supermarkets aging whole fruit and vegetables.

The material from tree pruners is a mix of wet and dry material – the wet being the leaves, and the dry material being the branches and trunks, with the dry material predominating.

Hot composting (which is the most greenhouse friendly means of composting) requires a mix of wet and dry materials. The end product is mulch. Bulk hot composting is already practised by Greenplanet at Epping in Victoria, using green waste from Whitehorse, Whittlesea, and Nillumbik.

Chemical composting or fermenting (eg. Bokashi method) is also greenhouse friendly and uses mostly wet ingredients and a dry starter mix. Chemical composting can include substances that are not suitable for hot composting – such as meat and cooked food scraps and pizza boxes. The end products are a liquid fertiliser and ‘pickled’ waste that breaks down quickly in the soil. It can also be mixed with traditional compost. Chemical composting could be run in complement to hot composting if too much wet material was being collected, and to treat materials unsuitable for hot composting.

I am not aware of the ramifications for the efficiency of bio char where the base materials are wet rather than dry. I understand that further research is needed to assess how the base materials used to feed bio char affect the bio char product and its interaction with the soil. (Good to see the Vic Govt trial of bio char in Northern Vic)

It is not hard to learn what materials are suitable for these methods of composting (I knew them as a primary school student). So it is not unreasonable to expect waste to be sorted into compostable and non-compostable materials, although this may first be trialled by supermarkets etcetera.

Adoption of a composting or bio char schemes would turn where waste products that currently contribute to carbon dioxide and methane pollution into an environmental positive products. There is scope for a compost collection from shopping centres, restaurants and tree pruners who were willing to take part in such a scheme.

There may even be scope for collection from households using a divided bin as has recently begun to be trialled the City of Whitehorse in Canada. This would allow for household kitchen green waste and eco friendly nappies to be composted or used for bio char where the residents don’t have the space or inclination to do their own composting. Plantsnwater 01:49, 4 August 2009 (CDT)

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